Review: Da Vinci's Demons s3e07
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Season 3 Episode 7 Alis Volat Proplis
Spoilers. Recap and review in which I am angry at how heterocentrism rears its head. Also, how to get on my bad side: be mean to Vanessa. Lorenzo and Laura I am looking at you. With a side of screw the Crusade.
Alis Volat Proplis: One Flies With One's Own Wings – a reference to Leo's obsession with flight? Possibly it refers to needing to stand alone, because everyone will betray you, choose another, abandon you.
The Council of Dickheads as I continue to call them, are debating Rome and Florence's commitment to the Crusade. Sixtus wants to know where Riario is. And then a Turk staggers in.
Except it's not a Turk under the armour, but a dishevelled Lorenzo. Truly there's no excuse for him not taking his disguise off once he reached Florence though.
Meanwhile Leo and Riario at the studio. Leo thinks Riario is cured, his eyes are clear. It took Leo poisoning him to get past the Labyrinth conditioning, but Leo pushed harder, fighting with fire.
Again, expelling the toxins isn't the same as undoing the conditioning, but what do I know? Most Enemies of Man don't go round bleeding all the time, so a lack of eye haemorrhaging might suggest Riario's free of the Sinner and the poison but not necessarily the brainwashing.
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Leo thinks the worst is over; Riario points out he has to live with what he's done. Bear in mind the last time he felt this alone he cut his wrists. He's also concerned about the return of the Sinner if Leo releases him, and this suggests to me that at this moment Riario is in his right mind. The Sinner would be more eager to be free.
Leo tells him to trust himself, to start over.
Or as tumblr post suggests, "Start over with me." I'd kill for something like that. It's made clear to us over and over that Leo and Riario work better together, balancing each other out. But as on the ship when Riario was lost for anything to do other than go back to Rome and should have gone with Leo, Leo does not offer and Riario does not ask. I know Riario's supposed to go to Rome to organise the Crusade, but can't he and Leo at least try to acknowledge their relationship?
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"The next choice is the one that defines you," Leo says. Then he gets excited and shows Riario his new designs, a gesture of such trust, a moment between friends. Their bromance is interrupted by Laura.
Riario tells her that Leo thinks he's cured, and that he is of sound mind. He thinks what he did cannot be forgiven. Laura begs to differ. Leo is distracted by the noise outside; Lorenzo's return has caused a stir.
Lorenzo is holding a crying Giulio and doesn’t want to give him back to Vanessa. Leo runs in, astonished. Lorenzo hands back the baby and dismisses everyone. Leo hugs him in a way he has never been allowed to hug Riario, even after Riario killed Zita, not that I'm intensely bitter about that. Lorenzo even calls him 'brother' which is particularly nasty given what happens later.
Leo and Lorenzo talk about his escape, since we didn't see it. I'll assume he's telling the truth until proven otherwise, but who knows at this point. We could have had at least this much detail about Riario's heroic rescue of Leo from the Labyrinth, but no such luck.
Laura tells Riario that Sixtus is demanding his presence, Because the Crusade. I'm getting sick of hearing how the Only Solution is a Crusade by a United Italy, especially since Leo's made it clear that this kind of One God/One Way thinking on both sides is what's behind all the grief in the first place.
Riario gives Laura a blade in case he threatens her again. Given the state of Florence/Italy she ought to be armed anyway.
Leo is still talking to Lorenzo, blah-blah army, blah-blah, new designs.
Me: By the way, Clarice is dead.
Clearly this has been mentioned because Lorenzo abruptly demands to see "her".
Outside in Laura's Gothic parade of the glorious dead, Clarice's skeleton, wrapped in gauze, sits in state.
Why is she just bones? I know Leo autopsied the body, but did he dissolve all the skin afterwards? Was it done by the family's undertakers, or by Laura's keepers of her creepy museum? I don't think it has been nearly long enough for all of the flesh to have fallen off naturally.
Lorenzo asks how she was killed, Leo dissembles a bit before admitting to the crucifixion. Lorenzo feels guilty for abandoning her. Leo tells him of the letter he found, in which Clarice begged for forgiveness. Lorenzo is touched, though he asks about Lucrezia. He wanted to kill her and Leo helped her escape; Leo truthfully says he hasn't seen her since. He doesn't know that she was there when Riario handed him over to Zo after the never to be spoken of rescue from the Enemies of Man.
Cut to Lucrezia, down in the dungeon with Lupo's body. Francesco interrogates her. He says they found three bodies (so maybe Lupo wasn't eating them as I suggested earlier :P) but four pairs of shoes. He thinks the missing girl has the Page. Lucrezia denies knowing this.
Enter Leo's mother. Told you she wasn't dead.
There's a council of war with Laura, Riario, Sixtus, Leo, etc present. Lorenzo hasn't yet told them about troop movements though Leo thinks it will helpful when he does. Sixtus asks Riario's advice and he suggests which cities shall be next to fall. After Naples, it is only three days march to Rome. Again there's the notion that if Rome falls, Florence will follow, and a pre-emptive surprise attack is the best approach.
Leo says he has discovered ways to defeat his old designs, his new designs are a secret, and he's deciphering the secrets of Vlad's armour. Vlad is staying out of the Crusade and I can't blame him for not getting caught up in the religious fervour.
Also, how does Leo writing in code stop Al-Rahim from stealing the secrets straight from his mind as he claimed during the hallucination in the church at Otranto? Am I missing something?
Leo's mother, Caterina, is interrogating Lucrezia again, as she did during season two. Caterina tells Francesco a lie, that the Page is on its way to Rome.
At the council chamber, Vanessa and Nico have been sidelined to the back of the room. Lorenzo is stomping about the floor, furious. If all their troops are at war, who protects the cities? His wife was murdered, as was Dragonetti, and he walked in unchallenged. Lorenzo does not want to give Sixtus a say in Florence's affairs and I don't blame him. Rome is their enemy and there's no guarantee Sixtus's influence and troops will withdraw rather than stage a coup after the war.
It's pointed out that the Council has already voted but Lorenzo rescinds that. He accuses Cellini of sucking at the papal teat, accusations are made, Vanessa is called a whore and Clarice's cheating is brought up, and Cellini gets beaten to death by an enraged Lorenzo.
You know what? He kind of had it coming. You know what else? NOT LIKE THAT. Shout him down, have him assassinated later, be diplomatic about it. But this is not how politics works, it wasn't even trial by combat. Lorenzo has lost it. But he's yelling how Florence now stands alone and nobody dares question him, though honestly I think there's a case to be made for the guards removing the madman and returning the reins to Vanessa who has shown a level head despite her disdain for the council.
Back to Lucrezia, I'm getting pretty bored of this now, she and Caterina (and I had to see her name in the transcript because it's never really mentioned, she's just "Leo's mother"/"the seer" to me) talk. Caterina lied about Rome to protect Sophia, Leo's sister.
Lucrezia wonders why she's kept them apart until now. Caterina says it is the only way to save them. More of this Only Way bs. Caterina witters about not sacrificing her children as she was told to; were they too dangerous to live? If so, how come her powerful captors have never found and assassinated Leo, who's not hiding out in a convent but showing off all over the place?
She thinks Sophia was safe in the convent (she wasn't) but Leo wasn't safe (yet he's survived everything so far, and could have done more with the proper knowledge and training, but this always the hero's lot, to be kept in the dark for "safety" and then have to learn everything in five days and save the world thanks very much).
Leo takes Laura to Singh's brothel. No, not like that. He says she can wait outside, but she's having none of it. The guy knows Leo and suggests things Leo might want to do, lol, someone remembers Leo's bisexual, just before the tide of heterocentrism floods in again. At least I think poking the badger might be a m/m ref while buzzing the honey-hole is m/f but IDK.
Lorenzo is being whipped as some sort of punishment/pleasure. Given the scars on his back and his grief over Clarice, it's some kind of attempt to deal with his pain. Leo and Laura whine about the Crusade again, but Lorenzo is also sick of hearing about it.
Lorenzo wants Leo's weapons to defend Florence. Remember Florence, the city Leo loved? Like everything else, Leo's devotion seems fleeting, it's all about the Crusade now.
Lorenzo has them thrown out of the brothel, wants Laura's creepy Gothic museum gone, and in a bridge too far, wants everything confiscated from Leo's workshop. That is an act of betrayal worse than the one he believes Leo to be committing. He calls Leo brother again but it's with bitter irony.
To further piss me off, Lorenzo has dismissed Nico from court. Nico goes to Vanessa, wanting to take her and Giulio away. He clearly loves her. He'll ask his father for money, will take care of her and Giulio.
But Vanessa can't leave, she points out that "Lorenzo will never give up his heir. And I'm not going anywhere without my son."
Nico replies Lorenzo beat someone to death in front of her, but Vanessa won't be persuaded, sends him away for all their sakes. It's incredibly sad. And I'll touch on this again later.
Meanwhile Lorenzo's goons are destroying Leo's workshop. Paper flies everywhere. Good job looking for the designs guys! Great work not damaging those precious plans you're trying to confiscate!
Lorenzo is ever more pissed off when he is handed whatever they did actually take to him; the designs are in code. The Da Vinci Code? :P
Vanessa's trying to calm Lorenzo by having the cook prepare his favourite meal. She tries soothing him, talking to him. Remember, she's good at this. She's the only one who can always get through to Leo. She's spent her life as a nun, a bartender, and, briefly, a Regent. She knows how to talk to people.
When she talks of missing him, Lorenzo thinks she means Cellini. No, he was "an obnoxious prick," she assures him, and Lorenzo's actions were extreme but these are extreme times. No, she means Machiavelli.
Lorenzo is pleased by her praise, but he knows Nico was Leo's friend and tells Vanessa she deserves better than "a child" for company.
Vanessa counters she was "a child" to him when he left for Naples and she and Nico stood against the Crusade as long as they could.
Lorenzo isn't angry because he believes she was in an impossible situation and did what she thought best. They talk about his brother, Giuliano, and Vanessa is still flattering Lorenzo, and Lorenzo says he envies his taste in women.
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Ugh, no, I do not want Lorenzo/Vanessa, especially not like this, with her bedding him just so he doesn't kill her or remove her child from her custody.
Vanessa tells him that Clarice loved him. Remember her, dead wife, woman you haven't finished grieving for ?
It backfires: "You remind me of her. Strong-willed, unafraid to offer your mind in the face of opposition."
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Zo thinks that the Crusade is done for, "City states are dropping like flies now that Florence has pulled out. Even if you manage to recreate all your designs, - who in bloody hell's gonna wield them?"
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Leo says Zo is right. Zo is floored. Leo even admits Zo's instincts have been right more often than his own. Zo is worried Leo must be dying. Leo is tired and doesn't see a way to win without the manpower Florence and the others would have provided. Come on Leo, you're a genius, stop moping and think of something else.
Leo attempts to send Zo away while he will go to Rome and see if anything can be "salvaged" but Leo's friends are loyal, none more so than Zo and he won't leave Leo. And Leo shouldn't go to Rome. This is probably because jealous Zo doesn't want Leo alone with Riario, not realising Laura's going to cockblock them.
"I know of one man powerful enough to turn the tide in our favour," Zo says and Leo thinks he means him, lol, no, "shithead," Zo says affectionately. Leo really does need calling out on his arrogance more often. Zo means Vlad.
It leads to this exchange:
"- Son of Dracul.
- Hm.
Ruler of the Order of the Dragon, Prince of fucking darkness.
And the man that that you stole from and I poisoned and we set fire to and we pushed him out of a window.
- Yeah.
- Yeah? I didn't say it was a perfect plan.
Even if he is alive and he doesn't slit our throats on sight .
.what exactly is our pitch? The Ottomans stole his armour.
You get the armour's secrets, and the Crusade gets the man who made it.
Inimicus inimici Mei amicus meus est.
- The enemy of my enemy - Is my friend."
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Wouldn't "Inimcius inimici" have been a better title? Given all the double dealings and deceit going on?
Riario's having Guilt while looking at a portrait of Clarice. Laura and Riario talk about Lorenzo being a tyrant. Riario feels that his murder of Clarice has tipped Lorenzo over the edge but Laura insists it was all the Turks' fault. Anyway, the Crusade is lost. Laura doesn't want to give up, the Crusade is alive as long as they are.
"And Lorenzo will be left to watch as his beloved Florence burns." Kind of nasty to predict the destruction of an entire city just because their leaders didn't want to join your little club, er, Crusade, Riario. Though I don't think he's truly gloating, he sounds more sad than anything.
Laura recites a Bible quote about sins like scarlet being forgiven. Like she's forgiven Riario for trying to kill her.
"I do not deserve such kindness," Riario says, because he's still lacking in self-worth, ffs Leo you picked him up off the floor but you didn't stay to make him whole. "I do not deserve you."
Who says he has her? Oh, right, let's kiss. Remember last episode, when Leo likened Laura to Riario's mother since Zita's existence has been wiped from the record? Because Laura loves him "as his mother did"? Most people don't kiss their mothers like that, just saying, and a show too terrified to let their bi character be bi isn't going to touch incest.
Or, as Fangs For the Fantasy puts it:
"So Riario and Laura are now, inevitably, a thing. Because this is so important (along with all the brothel scenes). And we still have Leo and Lucrezia. Look at all this gratuitous heterosexuality." source
I'll give you that Laura is at this this point seemingly a well developed character and that her affection for Riario is more genuine and had more build up than most canon ships in this show, but the rampant gratuitous heterosexuality, as I saw it described on Tumblr, is obnoxious. See also Leo/Lucrezia which we have more to look forward, oh how I can't wait /sarcasm and Leo/Ima which wtf even was that? Also Vanessa/Giuliano, Lucrezia/Lorenzo, Clarice/Lorenzo, Clarice/Carlo, Riario/Zita, and some minor Vanessa/Nico and subtextual or UST Zo/Lucrezia and Zo/Malia. Maybe others I've forgotten about.
The only gay characters I recall on the show are background brothel patrons, a murder victim in the pilot, and Leo's lover whose betrayal got Leo arrested for sodomy. Which wouldn't be so horrendous if not for the fact that Zo is clearly coded as bi, if not gay; pretty sure Vespucci hinted at it once. Oh and the fact that Leo is canonically bisexual.
There's a lot of talk about the Leo/Riario parallels and their bromance and their almost love affair. But bromance will always come second to boobs. Leo isn't even allowed to kiss Zo and I think they'd often share kisses if nothing else.
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Back to Lucrezia, Caterina says the Crusade's in jeopardy. Oh no, no the Crusade! And Leo's leaving Florence and he won't meet up with Sophia! Oh noes! See how upset I am.

"Without each other, they face unspeakable horrors," says Caterina, like her visions are never wrong, and she hadn't fucked up a ton over the years, and she can see every possible future. Clearly this is where Leo gets his arrogance from.
Lucrezia wants Caterina to appear in a vision to Leo. LOL, let's mess with his head some more poor boy. He's already half-deranged from all his hallucinations. He no longer trusts his mother but maybe he trusts Lucrezia. What? Since when?
Leo hands over his non-coded plans to Riario in a gesture of immense trust. Riario is surprised Leo isn't coming with them but Leo says he's going to enlist Vlad's help. Riario almost warns him to be careful, but he knows Leo knows this. They understand each other. Why does this show keep splitting them up?!
Riario offers an escort to protect his boyfriend, er, Leo, but Leo thinks it will send the wrong message. He has Nico and Zo, and that's enough.
Riario jokes they're hardly the Swiss Guards. Educational moment! I'd not heard this in DvD before, nor even in The Borgias, which surprises me on reflection. I did hear it when watching an episode of "Father Brown" today, where the plot involved a missing cross meant to given as a coronation gift from the Pope to the newly crowned Queen Elizabeth II, and which artefact was being escorted by a cohort of Swiss Guards.
From Wikipedia:
"Swiss Guard…is a small force responsible for the safety of the Pope, including the security of the Apostolic Palace. During the periods of "sede vacante" (which is when there is no pope), the Swiss Guard instead guards the College of Cardinals, so as to ensure that the Cardinals, meeting in Conclave, are able to perform their duty in electing a new Pope.
Like various European powers, earlier Popes recruited Swiss mercenaries as part of an army. The Pontifical Swiss Guard was founded by Pope Julius II on 22 January 1506 as the personal bodyguard of the Pope and continues to fulfil that function." x
And:
"The Pontifical Swiss Guard has its origins in the 15th century. Pope Sixtus IV (1471–1484) had already made an alliance with the Swiss Confederation and built barracks in Via Pellegrino after foreseeing the possibility of recruiting Swiss mercenaries. The pact was renewed by Innocent VIII (1484–1492) in order to use them against the Duke of Milan." x
Enough history. Sixtus is anxious to be off.
They promise to meet in Rome and then Leo and Riario part, possibly for the last time, which makes me sad, without a thank you, a handshake, a hug, or a clap on the back, which makes me even sadder. Fuck you show.
"And we're certain he's all right?" Zo asks Leo, re Riario.
"Physically, yes, but I can't count for the emotional toil."
I think I wrote fic similar to this with Zo as the concerned party.
Nico has found something that was tossed out with Lorenzo's kitchen scraps. I'm not sure what it is though or if it's important to the plot. EDIT: I am assured this is the breastplate of armour which will prove to Vlad that the Turks have stolen it from him. That makes sense. But someone might have mentioned that, given it was so dark I couldn't actually see it onscreen properly. Also surely metal doesn't thrown out with kitchen scraps but given to a blacksmith to reuse? But what do I know :/
The departure for Rome continues in daylight as Lorenzo and Vanessa watch. Laura decides this is a good time to bitch at Vanessa.
"One day, you will open your eyes, signora.
And what will I see? That tyranny is brutal and lonely.
Especially for those who serve the tyrant."
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Last episode I was pissed at Laura for her "your life belongs to your child" fetishism of motherhood. Well guess what Laura? Vanessa is doing what you told her. She's putting her child's safety above everything else.
If Vanessa attempts to leave, Lorenzo will send men after her to drag her back or to merely take her child from her by force. She's expendable. As it is, at any moment he could decide to kill her or banish her.
She can't stage a coup. If Giuliano had married her, if she and Nico had led for longer during less tumultuous times, she might have been able to garner the support to challenge Lorenzo. But she's alone and friendless. Leo has abandoned her as he always does, but now she doesn't even have Nico.
Her best hopes lie in keeping Lorenzo on side, even if that means fucking him, and/or choosing her moment to kill him and frame someone for the murder. She could then take over as regent once more.
I'd like to see you do better Laura.
Leo is sleeping and having a vision. He finds Lucrezia.
"How do I know this isn't a trick?" he asks. She kisses him.
WHAT THE HELL? Remember how she lured you into bed, Leo? Your entire relationship with her was built on a lie. How does kissing prove anything except that she hasn't changed? Leo however, falling victim to the gratuitous tide of heterosexuality says "Even if you're only in my head, I don't care."
How about you think with your brain and not your penis? If you're that sexually uptight, have a wank.
To paraphrase Monty Python, "kissing dream women who've done nothing but lie to you in the past is no basis for trusting them". But Leo's obsessed with her, because the writers say so.
Lucrezia finally unlocks her lips long enough to tell him she has a message from his mother. The Page, Sophia's his sister, blah-blah. Also she found the Page. She could have led with "look what I did for you" as opposed to "let me dream kiss you" but whatever.
"Your mother said the Crusade would be hopeless without it."
This Crusade is a pretty piss poor effort if it needs Florence and all the other cities AND the Page and Leo and God only knows what else to be a success. If it's the One True Way it shouldn't be this difficult or fragile.
"You are the only one who can save us now."
Just as Leo gets taken down a peg by Zo, here's Lucrezia, channelling Leia, "Help me Obi Wan, you're my only hope!" or maybe it's more Dale Arden's "Flash, Flash, I love you, but we only have 14 hours to save the earth!"
Leo wakes up, wakes Zo, says he has to leave because he had a message. Lucrezia "appeared" to him. He's going to Vinci. Every time he tries to go home shit goes down so I can't approve. Zo doesn't either, he thinks it's "fucking insane".
Now Leo leaves Zo and Nico because there isn't time to both go off on a side quest for randomly generated sibling drama and get Vlad to help in time to save the precious Crusade.
Don't worry Leo, others will take care of the important stuff. Follow your hallucination, even though you've spent all season screaming at those who appear to you. He promises to meet them in Rome. There's going to be a lot of worried and pissed off people waiting for Leo in Rome if he gets too distracted.
Sophia's sitting on a hillside, communing with imaginery Caterina while on the ship Lucrezia watches Caterina doing her mystical thing. Caterina is telling Sophia not to go to Florence but to Vinci instead, to find her brother.
But then a guard chokes Caterina to death with a chain. Blood spews everywhere.
My head canon is that Caterina, as well as Leo and Riario, are immortal, Because the Vault of Heaven. But as far as the show goes, even I think she's dead now, at least as far as this season goes, and thus the series. If s4 appeared, I'd think she'd be resurrected as some sort of ghost figure at least, which I guess ties in with the Star Wars theme now I've mentioned it.
I wasn't as emotionally drained by this episode but I'm all kinds of pissed off.
Quick note: despite my complaints I love the show, I fell in love with the characters. If I didn't love it, I wouldn't put so much effort into analysing it or participating in the fandom. It is because I love this fandom that I feel I have the right to critique it and to want the show to have done better in tackling the things I raise issues over.
Spoilers. Recap and review in which I am angry at how heterocentrism rears its head. Also, how to get on my bad side: be mean to Vanessa. Lorenzo and Laura I am looking at you. With a side of screw the Crusade.
Alis Volat Proplis: One Flies With One's Own Wings – a reference to Leo's obsession with flight? Possibly it refers to needing to stand alone, because everyone will betray you, choose another, abandon you.
The Council of Dickheads as I continue to call them, are debating Rome and Florence's commitment to the Crusade. Sixtus wants to know where Riario is. And then a Turk staggers in.
Except it's not a Turk under the armour, but a dishevelled Lorenzo. Truly there's no excuse for him not taking his disguise off once he reached Florence though.
Meanwhile Leo and Riario at the studio. Leo thinks Riario is cured, his eyes are clear. It took Leo poisoning him to get past the Labyrinth conditioning, but Leo pushed harder, fighting with fire.
Again, expelling the toxins isn't the same as undoing the conditioning, but what do I know? Most Enemies of Man don't go round bleeding all the time, so a lack of eye haemorrhaging might suggest Riario's free of the Sinner and the poison but not necessarily the brainwashing.

Leo thinks the worst is over; Riario points out he has to live with what he's done. Bear in mind the last time he felt this alone he cut his wrists. He's also concerned about the return of the Sinner if Leo releases him, and this suggests to me that at this moment Riario is in his right mind. The Sinner would be more eager to be free.
Leo tells him to trust himself, to start over.
Or as tumblr post suggests, "Start over with me." I'd kill for something like that. It's made clear to us over and over that Leo and Riario work better together, balancing each other out. But as on the ship when Riario was lost for anything to do other than go back to Rome and should have gone with Leo, Leo does not offer and Riario does not ask. I know Riario's supposed to go to Rome to organise the Crusade, but can't he and Leo at least try to acknowledge their relationship?

"The next choice is the one that defines you," Leo says. Then he gets excited and shows Riario his new designs, a gesture of such trust, a moment between friends. Their bromance is interrupted by Laura.
Riario tells her that Leo thinks he's cured, and that he is of sound mind. He thinks what he did cannot be forgiven. Laura begs to differ. Leo is distracted by the noise outside; Lorenzo's return has caused a stir.
Lorenzo is holding a crying Giulio and doesn’t want to give him back to Vanessa. Leo runs in, astonished. Lorenzo hands back the baby and dismisses everyone. Leo hugs him in a way he has never been allowed to hug Riario, even after Riario killed Zita, not that I'm intensely bitter about that. Lorenzo even calls him 'brother' which is particularly nasty given what happens later.
Leo and Lorenzo talk about his escape, since we didn't see it. I'll assume he's telling the truth until proven otherwise, but who knows at this point. We could have had at least this much detail about Riario's heroic rescue of Leo from the Labyrinth, but no such luck.
Laura tells Riario that Sixtus is demanding his presence, Because the Crusade. I'm getting sick of hearing how the Only Solution is a Crusade by a United Italy, especially since Leo's made it clear that this kind of One God/One Way thinking on both sides is what's behind all the grief in the first place.
Riario gives Laura a blade in case he threatens her again. Given the state of Florence/Italy she ought to be armed anyway.
Leo is still talking to Lorenzo, blah-blah army, blah-blah, new designs.
Me: By the way, Clarice is dead.
Clearly this has been mentioned because Lorenzo abruptly demands to see "her".
Outside in Laura's Gothic parade of the glorious dead, Clarice's skeleton, wrapped in gauze, sits in state.
Why is she just bones? I know Leo autopsied the body, but did he dissolve all the skin afterwards? Was it done by the family's undertakers, or by Laura's keepers of her creepy museum? I don't think it has been nearly long enough for all of the flesh to have fallen off naturally.
Lorenzo asks how she was killed, Leo dissembles a bit before admitting to the crucifixion. Lorenzo feels guilty for abandoning her. Leo tells him of the letter he found, in which Clarice begged for forgiveness. Lorenzo is touched, though he asks about Lucrezia. He wanted to kill her and Leo helped her escape; Leo truthfully says he hasn't seen her since. He doesn't know that she was there when Riario handed him over to Zo after the never to be spoken of rescue from the Enemies of Man.
Cut to Lucrezia, down in the dungeon with Lupo's body. Francesco interrogates her. He says they found three bodies (so maybe Lupo wasn't eating them as I suggested earlier :P) but four pairs of shoes. He thinks the missing girl has the Page. Lucrezia denies knowing this.
Enter Leo's mother. Told you she wasn't dead.
There's a council of war with Laura, Riario, Sixtus, Leo, etc present. Lorenzo hasn't yet told them about troop movements though Leo thinks it will helpful when he does. Sixtus asks Riario's advice and he suggests which cities shall be next to fall. After Naples, it is only three days march to Rome. Again there's the notion that if Rome falls, Florence will follow, and a pre-emptive surprise attack is the best approach.
Leo says he has discovered ways to defeat his old designs, his new designs are a secret, and he's deciphering the secrets of Vlad's armour. Vlad is staying out of the Crusade and I can't blame him for not getting caught up in the religious fervour.
Also, how does Leo writing in code stop Al-Rahim from stealing the secrets straight from his mind as he claimed during the hallucination in the church at Otranto? Am I missing something?
Leo's mother, Caterina, is interrogating Lucrezia again, as she did during season two. Caterina tells Francesco a lie, that the Page is on its way to Rome.
At the council chamber, Vanessa and Nico have been sidelined to the back of the room. Lorenzo is stomping about the floor, furious. If all their troops are at war, who protects the cities? His wife was murdered, as was Dragonetti, and he walked in unchallenged. Lorenzo does not want to give Sixtus a say in Florence's affairs and I don't blame him. Rome is their enemy and there's no guarantee Sixtus's influence and troops will withdraw rather than stage a coup after the war.
It's pointed out that the Council has already voted but Lorenzo rescinds that. He accuses Cellini of sucking at the papal teat, accusations are made, Vanessa is called a whore and Clarice's cheating is brought up, and Cellini gets beaten to death by an enraged Lorenzo.
You know what? He kind of had it coming. You know what else? NOT LIKE THAT. Shout him down, have him assassinated later, be diplomatic about it. But this is not how politics works, it wasn't even trial by combat. Lorenzo has lost it. But he's yelling how Florence now stands alone and nobody dares question him, though honestly I think there's a case to be made for the guards removing the madman and returning the reins to Vanessa who has shown a level head despite her disdain for the council.
Back to Lucrezia, I'm getting pretty bored of this now, she and Caterina (and I had to see her name in the transcript because it's never really mentioned, she's just "Leo's mother"/"the seer" to me) talk. Caterina lied about Rome to protect Sophia, Leo's sister.
Lucrezia wonders why she's kept them apart until now. Caterina says it is the only way to save them. More of this Only Way bs. Caterina witters about not sacrificing her children as she was told to; were they too dangerous to live? If so, how come her powerful captors have never found and assassinated Leo, who's not hiding out in a convent but showing off all over the place?
She thinks Sophia was safe in the convent (she wasn't) but Leo wasn't safe (yet he's survived everything so far, and could have done more with the proper knowledge and training, but this always the hero's lot, to be kept in the dark for "safety" and then have to learn everything in five days and save the world thanks very much).
Leo takes Laura to Singh's brothel. No, not like that. He says she can wait outside, but she's having none of it. The guy knows Leo and suggests things Leo might want to do, lol, someone remembers Leo's bisexual, just before the tide of heterocentrism floods in again. At least I think poking the badger might be a m/m ref while buzzing the honey-hole is m/f but IDK.
Lorenzo is being whipped as some sort of punishment/pleasure. Given the scars on his back and his grief over Clarice, it's some kind of attempt to deal with his pain. Leo and Laura whine about the Crusade again, but Lorenzo is also sick of hearing about it.
Lorenzo wants Leo's weapons to defend Florence. Remember Florence, the city Leo loved? Like everything else, Leo's devotion seems fleeting, it's all about the Crusade now.
Lorenzo has them thrown out of the brothel, wants Laura's creepy Gothic museum gone, and in a bridge too far, wants everything confiscated from Leo's workshop. That is an act of betrayal worse than the one he believes Leo to be committing. He calls Leo brother again but it's with bitter irony.
To further piss me off, Lorenzo has dismissed Nico from court. Nico goes to Vanessa, wanting to take her and Giulio away. He clearly loves her. He'll ask his father for money, will take care of her and Giulio.
But Vanessa can't leave, she points out that "Lorenzo will never give up his heir. And I'm not going anywhere without my son."
Nico replies Lorenzo beat someone to death in front of her, but Vanessa won't be persuaded, sends him away for all their sakes. It's incredibly sad. And I'll touch on this again later.
Meanwhile Lorenzo's goons are destroying Leo's workshop. Paper flies everywhere. Good job looking for the designs guys! Great work not damaging those precious plans you're trying to confiscate!
Lorenzo is ever more pissed off when he is handed whatever they did actually take to him; the designs are in code. The Da Vinci Code? :P
Vanessa's trying to calm Lorenzo by having the cook prepare his favourite meal. She tries soothing him, talking to him. Remember, she's good at this. She's the only one who can always get through to Leo. She's spent her life as a nun, a bartender, and, briefly, a Regent. She knows how to talk to people.
When she talks of missing him, Lorenzo thinks she means Cellini. No, he was "an obnoxious prick," she assures him, and Lorenzo's actions were extreme but these are extreme times. No, she means Machiavelli.
Lorenzo is pleased by her praise, but he knows Nico was Leo's friend and tells Vanessa she deserves better than "a child" for company.
Vanessa counters she was "a child" to him when he left for Naples and she and Nico stood against the Crusade as long as they could.
Lorenzo isn't angry because he believes she was in an impossible situation and did what she thought best. They talk about his brother, Giuliano, and Vanessa is still flattering Lorenzo, and Lorenzo says he envies his taste in women.

Ugh, no, I do not want Lorenzo/Vanessa, especially not like this, with her bedding him just so he doesn't kill her or remove her child from her custody.
Vanessa tells him that Clarice loved him. Remember her, dead wife, woman you haven't finished grieving for ?
It backfires: "You remind me of her. Strong-willed, unafraid to offer your mind in the face of opposition."
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Zo thinks that the Crusade is done for, "City states are dropping like flies now that Florence has pulled out. Even if you manage to recreate all your designs, - who in bloody hell's gonna wield them?"

Leo says Zo is right. Zo is floored. Leo even admits Zo's instincts have been right more often than his own. Zo is worried Leo must be dying. Leo is tired and doesn't see a way to win without the manpower Florence and the others would have provided. Come on Leo, you're a genius, stop moping and think of something else.
Leo attempts to send Zo away while he will go to Rome and see if anything can be "salvaged" but Leo's friends are loyal, none more so than Zo and he won't leave Leo. And Leo shouldn't go to Rome. This is probably because jealous Zo doesn't want Leo alone with Riario, not realising Laura's going to cockblock them.
"I know of one man powerful enough to turn the tide in our favour," Zo says and Leo thinks he means him, lol, no, "shithead," Zo says affectionately. Leo really does need calling out on his arrogance more often. Zo means Vlad.
It leads to this exchange:
"- Son of Dracul.
- Hm.
Ruler of the Order of the Dragon, Prince of fucking darkness.
And the man that that you stole from and I poisoned and we set fire to and we pushed him out of a window.
- Yeah.
- Yeah? I didn't say it was a perfect plan.
Even if he is alive and he doesn't slit our throats on sight .
.what exactly is our pitch? The Ottomans stole his armour.
You get the armour's secrets, and the Crusade gets the man who made it.
Inimicus inimici Mei amicus meus est.
- The enemy of my enemy - Is my friend."
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Wouldn't "Inimcius inimici" have been a better title? Given all the double dealings and deceit going on?
Riario's having Guilt while looking at a portrait of Clarice. Laura and Riario talk about Lorenzo being a tyrant. Riario feels that his murder of Clarice has tipped Lorenzo over the edge but Laura insists it was all the Turks' fault. Anyway, the Crusade is lost. Laura doesn't want to give up, the Crusade is alive as long as they are.
"And Lorenzo will be left to watch as his beloved Florence burns." Kind of nasty to predict the destruction of an entire city just because their leaders didn't want to join your little club, er, Crusade, Riario. Though I don't think he's truly gloating, he sounds more sad than anything.
Laura recites a Bible quote about sins like scarlet being forgiven. Like she's forgiven Riario for trying to kill her.
"I do not deserve such kindness," Riario says, because he's still lacking in self-worth, ffs Leo you picked him up off the floor but you didn't stay to make him whole. "I do not deserve you."
Who says he has her? Oh, right, let's kiss. Remember last episode, when Leo likened Laura to Riario's mother since Zita's existence has been wiped from the record? Because Laura loves him "as his mother did"? Most people don't kiss their mothers like that, just saying, and a show too terrified to let their bi character be bi isn't going to touch incest.
Or, as Fangs For the Fantasy puts it:
"So Riario and Laura are now, inevitably, a thing. Because this is so important (along with all the brothel scenes). And we still have Leo and Lucrezia. Look at all this gratuitous heterosexuality." source
I'll give you that Laura is at this this point seemingly a well developed character and that her affection for Riario is more genuine and had more build up than most canon ships in this show, but the rampant gratuitous heterosexuality, as I saw it described on Tumblr, is obnoxious. See also Leo/Lucrezia which we have more to look forward, oh how I can't wait /sarcasm and Leo/Ima which wtf even was that? Also Vanessa/Giuliano, Lucrezia/Lorenzo, Clarice/Lorenzo, Clarice/Carlo, Riario/Zita, and some minor Vanessa/Nico and subtextual or UST Zo/Lucrezia and Zo/Malia. Maybe others I've forgotten about.
The only gay characters I recall on the show are background brothel patrons, a murder victim in the pilot, and Leo's lover whose betrayal got Leo arrested for sodomy. Which wouldn't be so horrendous if not for the fact that Zo is clearly coded as bi, if not gay; pretty sure Vespucci hinted at it once. Oh and the fact that Leo is canonically bisexual.
There's a lot of talk about the Leo/Riario parallels and their bromance and their almost love affair. But bromance will always come second to boobs. Leo isn't even allowed to kiss Zo and I think they'd often share kisses if nothing else.

Back to Lucrezia, Caterina says the Crusade's in jeopardy. Oh no, no the Crusade! And Leo's leaving Florence and he won't meet up with Sophia! Oh noes! See how upset I am.

"Without each other, they face unspeakable horrors," says Caterina, like her visions are never wrong, and she hadn't fucked up a ton over the years, and she can see every possible future. Clearly this is where Leo gets his arrogance from.
Lucrezia wants Caterina to appear in a vision to Leo. LOL, let's mess with his head some more poor boy. He's already half-deranged from all his hallucinations. He no longer trusts his mother but maybe he trusts Lucrezia. What? Since when?
Leo hands over his non-coded plans to Riario in a gesture of immense trust. Riario is surprised Leo isn't coming with them but Leo says he's going to enlist Vlad's help. Riario almost warns him to be careful, but he knows Leo knows this. They understand each other. Why does this show keep splitting them up?!
Riario offers an escort to protect his boyfriend, er, Leo, but Leo thinks it will send the wrong message. He has Nico and Zo, and that's enough.
Riario jokes they're hardly the Swiss Guards. Educational moment! I'd not heard this in DvD before, nor even in The Borgias, which surprises me on reflection. I did hear it when watching an episode of "Father Brown" today, where the plot involved a missing cross meant to given as a coronation gift from the Pope to the newly crowned Queen Elizabeth II, and which artefact was being escorted by a cohort of Swiss Guards.
From Wikipedia:
"Swiss Guard…is a small force responsible for the safety of the Pope, including the security of the Apostolic Palace. During the periods of "sede vacante" (which is when there is no pope), the Swiss Guard instead guards the College of Cardinals, so as to ensure that the Cardinals, meeting in Conclave, are able to perform their duty in electing a new Pope.
Like various European powers, earlier Popes recruited Swiss mercenaries as part of an army. The Pontifical Swiss Guard was founded by Pope Julius II on 22 January 1506 as the personal bodyguard of the Pope and continues to fulfil that function." x
And:
"The Pontifical Swiss Guard has its origins in the 15th century. Pope Sixtus IV (1471–1484) had already made an alliance with the Swiss Confederation and built barracks in Via Pellegrino after foreseeing the possibility of recruiting Swiss mercenaries. The pact was renewed by Innocent VIII (1484–1492) in order to use them against the Duke of Milan." x
Enough history. Sixtus is anxious to be off.
They promise to meet in Rome and then Leo and Riario part, possibly for the last time, which makes me sad, without a thank you, a handshake, a hug, or a clap on the back, which makes me even sadder. Fuck you show.
"And we're certain he's all right?" Zo asks Leo, re Riario.
"Physically, yes, but I can't count for the emotional toil."
I think I wrote fic similar to this with Zo as the concerned party.
Nico has found something that was tossed out with Lorenzo's kitchen scraps. I'm not sure what it is though or if it's important to the plot. EDIT: I am assured this is the breastplate of armour which will prove to Vlad that the Turks have stolen it from him. That makes sense. But someone might have mentioned that, given it was so dark I couldn't actually see it onscreen properly. Also surely metal doesn't thrown out with kitchen scraps but given to a blacksmith to reuse? But what do I know :/
The departure for Rome continues in daylight as Lorenzo and Vanessa watch. Laura decides this is a good time to bitch at Vanessa.
"One day, you will open your eyes, signora.
And what will I see? That tyranny is brutal and lonely.
Especially for those who serve the tyrant."

Last episode I was pissed at Laura for her "your life belongs to your child" fetishism of motherhood. Well guess what Laura? Vanessa is doing what you told her. She's putting her child's safety above everything else.
If Vanessa attempts to leave, Lorenzo will send men after her to drag her back or to merely take her child from her by force. She's expendable. As it is, at any moment he could decide to kill her or banish her.
She can't stage a coup. If Giuliano had married her, if she and Nico had led for longer during less tumultuous times, she might have been able to garner the support to challenge Lorenzo. But she's alone and friendless. Leo has abandoned her as he always does, but now she doesn't even have Nico.
Her best hopes lie in keeping Lorenzo on side, even if that means fucking him, and/or choosing her moment to kill him and frame someone for the murder. She could then take over as regent once more.
I'd like to see you do better Laura.
Leo is sleeping and having a vision. He finds Lucrezia.
"How do I know this isn't a trick?" he asks. She kisses him.
WHAT THE HELL? Remember how she lured you into bed, Leo? Your entire relationship with her was built on a lie. How does kissing prove anything except that she hasn't changed? Leo however, falling victim to the gratuitous tide of heterosexuality says "Even if you're only in my head, I don't care."
How about you think with your brain and not your penis? If you're that sexually uptight, have a wank.
To paraphrase Monty Python, "kissing dream women who've done nothing but lie to you in the past is no basis for trusting them". But Leo's obsessed with her, because the writers say so.
Lucrezia finally unlocks her lips long enough to tell him she has a message from his mother. The Page, Sophia's his sister, blah-blah. Also she found the Page. She could have led with "look what I did for you" as opposed to "let me dream kiss you" but whatever.
"Your mother said the Crusade would be hopeless without it."
This Crusade is a pretty piss poor effort if it needs Florence and all the other cities AND the Page and Leo and God only knows what else to be a success. If it's the One True Way it shouldn't be this difficult or fragile.
"You are the only one who can save us now."
Just as Leo gets taken down a peg by Zo, here's Lucrezia, channelling Leia, "Help me Obi Wan, you're my only hope!" or maybe it's more Dale Arden's "Flash, Flash, I love you, but we only have 14 hours to save the earth!"
Leo wakes up, wakes Zo, says he has to leave because he had a message. Lucrezia "appeared" to him. He's going to Vinci. Every time he tries to go home shit goes down so I can't approve. Zo doesn't either, he thinks it's "fucking insane".
Now Leo leaves Zo and Nico because there isn't time to both go off on a side quest for randomly generated sibling drama and get Vlad to help in time to save the precious Crusade.
Don't worry Leo, others will take care of the important stuff. Follow your hallucination, even though you've spent all season screaming at those who appear to you. He promises to meet them in Rome. There's going to be a lot of worried and pissed off people waiting for Leo in Rome if he gets too distracted.
Sophia's sitting on a hillside, communing with imaginery Caterina while on the ship Lucrezia watches Caterina doing her mystical thing. Caterina is telling Sophia not to go to Florence but to Vinci instead, to find her brother.
But then a guard chokes Caterina to death with a chain. Blood spews everywhere.
My head canon is that Caterina, as well as Leo and Riario, are immortal, Because the Vault of Heaven. But as far as the show goes, even I think she's dead now, at least as far as this season goes, and thus the series. If s4 appeared, I'd think she'd be resurrected as some sort of ghost figure at least, which I guess ties in with the Star Wars theme now I've mentioned it.
I wasn't as emotionally drained by this episode but I'm all kinds of pissed off.
Quick note: despite my complaints I love the show, I fell in love with the characters. If I didn't love it, I wouldn't put so much effort into analysing it or participating in the fandom. It is because I love this fandom that I feel I have the right to critique it and to want the show to have done better in tackling the things I raise issues over.
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Date: 2016-01-29 05:02 am (UTC)Start over with me, indeed.
And I love that quiet moment you picture when Leo trusts Riario with his designs—again Leo is giving him Valentines and flowers and candies because no one else in S3 sees his designs. He was so adamant about pushing away Zo and Nico from seeing them, afraid of theft again, but he happily and eagerly wants to show them off to Riario. And the body language when Leo scoots past Riario, way closer than necessary, and Riario looks up, a little surprised, I love that moment.
Why no, I haven't watched the beginning of this ep multiples times.Lorenzo … Lorenzo … I'm afraid that I can't even type his name without wanting to give him a rude qualifier. I think I made my feelings toward him pretty clear in my notes to you lol and I'm relieved that I can start to spew them out loud now that you're on ep 7. xD I really detest Lorenzo. For so many reasons.
I actually really like the scene between Riario and Laura when he picks up the rosary and then the dagger and everyone holds their breath. Except for Laura. I honestly don't know why she trusts him so much, especially at that moment when the last time she saw him, he tried hard to kill her. I think it speaks to the depths of her feelings for him (sexual or motherly or what have you) that she doesn't even flinch. I like to think that he respects her courage or foolishness and in that respect she reminds me of Leo. It seems like those two are the only ones who think they see a good side of Riario, one that he doesn't even think exists.
You raise a good point about Clarice's remains. What was the usual burial like back then? Was there any sort of attempts at embalming? Would the body be left to decompose and then the bones placed in an ossuary? I have no idea about Renaissance Italian customs, and it intrigues me, but then I realized that what are the odds the show writers did any research anyway? *eye roll*
Lorenzo feels guilty for abandoning her.
I think this is one of the many reasons I hate Lorenzo.
He says they found three bodies (so maybe Lupo wasn't eating them as I suggested earlier :P)
LOL I don't even care, your idea is my new head canon! Eurgh! Lupo is creepy enough!
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Date: 2016-01-29 11:29 am (UTC)LOL, I'm glad you like my head canon that Leo showing off his designs is his equivalent of flowers! Look how much I love you because I'm showing you myself - it's actually really sweet.
I like to think that he respects her courage or foolishness and in that respect she reminds me of Leo. It seems like those two are the only ones who think they see a good side of Riario, one that he doesn't even think exists. Yes! And oft-forgot Zita. The fans remember her, a pity the writers don't.
I realized that what are the odds the show writers did any research anyway? I know. Sometimes I think fic writers are doing more research.
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Date: 2016-01-29 09:05 pm (UTC)This is why I'm clinging to you and your Immortals AU because you're going to make it all better! Well, better relatively speaking! ;D If we had time and inclination, this would be a lovely jumping off point to make an entire series fix-it fic. Of course, that dreamscape kiss with Lucrezia would have to go... >:)
What I wouldn't give for ONE mention of Zita! She was the huge catalyst for Riario's changes in S2 and now...nothing. Total erasure and I'm preaching to the choir but aaaargh.
Re: research, I was re-watching (obsessively) some old cast interviews on YouTube the other night, and they talk about researching and learning about their own characters and how Goyer and the writers had "encyclopedic knowledge" about the period and the historical characters. And I was all, really? What did they do with it? Write an encyclopedia then set it on fire and smoke it? IDK, sorry my bitterness is showing! xD
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Date: 2016-01-29 05:03 am (UTC)Also, how does Leo writing in code stop Al-Rahim from stealing the secrets straight from his mind as he claimed during the hallucination in the church at Otranto? Am I missing something?
More hand-waving from the writers, I fear. I tried to reconcile that maybe, and bear with my wild attempt to make this make sense, Al-Rahim was “seeing” Leo's designs through his eyes by sorta taking over his mind (more demon possession references) and if Leo made them in code, then Al-Rahim might be able to “see” them but they wouldn't make sense or be decoded without the key that exists only in Leo's mind. In a place which apparently Al-Rahim can't access. *hand wave*
Lucrezia and Caterina, I hate to say that I don't have as many feels about them, but the writers didn't make it easy. I have honestly never liked Lucrezia, but like I've complained before, I blame the writers because they use her in such weird ways just to move the plot from one place to another, and I hate that. I think it shows poor planning as writers.
I admit that I chuckled at Laura and Leo entering the brothel. Of course Leo is a regular.
At least I think poking the badger might be a m/m ref while buzzing the honey-hole is m/f but IDK.
That was also my first impression.
Oh my darling friend, I am here to hold you while you rage/cry/scream/swear/throw things during the next three episodes. Remember that! You may be tempted to yell WTF repeatedly while clutching and pulling at your hair. Let it out. It only makes you crazier if you hold in all the WTF-ness that you have yet to see.
And the man that that you stole from and I poisoned and we set fire to and we pushed him out of a window.
This might be my favorite delivery of the season. Just something about the way Tom Riley says it, tired, exasperated yet still snarky is so S3 Leo in a nutshell. I love that entire scene with him and Zo.
Another of my favorite scenes is when Riario and Leo say goodbye. IMO, it's the most natural conversation they ever have in the show. They are both focused, mature, Riario shows concern for Leo's welfare, Leo thanks him, they both are so sincere. In my mind they already kissed goodbye in the workshop before they exited. But the actual scene is lovely, and it offers hope that, in this exact moment, these two could be allies or more. ;_;
Nico has found something that was tossed out with Lorenzo's kitchen scraps. I'm not sure what it is though or if it's important to the plot.
Poor Nico rolled around in the palace garbage to find the piece of Turk armor that Zo had originally commandeered and he and Leo had experimented on, trying to blow it up. It's the piece where they found the mark of Vlad, and yes, it's important. ;D
I think this show was always the strongest when the main characters were together. Whether it's the writing or the acting or both together, the show wins when they keep a group together. I think that's when this season is the weakest, when they split them back up again. Plot, yeah, I know, but I keep wondering how much of this was supposed to be different before the re-shoots.
And I have to keep reminding myself that for the show creators, writers and actors, Leo/Lucrezia was the big, ill-fated romance. Just because I never saw it—I saw it as mutual lust then betrayal but never love—doesn't mean that's not what the show was attempting to show. Too bad they didn't take into account other options that evolved more naturally from character development and even the actors' chemistry. :(
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Date: 2016-01-29 11:39 am (UTC)Yeah, let's go with handwaving about the code because that's how these writers roll. I swear I get myself tied in knots writing fic and original works to not make errors like these. Your idea has merit; as much, if not more than anything the writers have given us on that front.
Oh my darling friend, I am here to hold you while you rage/cry/scream/swear/throw things during the next three episodes. Remember that! You may be tempted to yell WTF repeatedly while clutching and pulling at your hair. Let it out. It only makes you crazier if you hold in all the WTF-ness that you have yet to see. This does not make me eager to see the final episodes! I'm gonna need whiskey and fanfic and gifs of Cesare bitchslapping people to get through those, I know it.
I love that entire scene with him and Zo. It was adorable!
In my mind they already kissed goodbye in the workshop before they exited. Head canon accepted!
Poor Nico rolled around in the palace garbage to find the piece of Turk armor that Zo had originally commandeered Ah, that makes sense, thank you! I guess I hadn't realised the guards took that during their ransacking and it is needed as proof that someone's using the armour.
I think this show was always the strongest when the main characters were together. Agreed!
I keep wondering how much of this was supposed to be different before the re-shoots. I keep wondering too. And thinking 'is this seriously the best idea you could come up with?'
I saw it as mutual lust then betrayal but never love That's exactly my feelings on the subject, though for Lucrezia he was a means to an end, that she found him attractive anyway was a bonus.
Too bad they didn't take into account other options that evolved more naturally from character development and even the actors' chemistry. :( Yes! I don’t even see any chemistry between Leo/Lucrezia, but heterosexuality and plot and IDEK.
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Date: 2016-01-29 08:54 pm (UTC)THIS! That's the only explanation I can come up with too. Seriously. I rage. It's like film and TV makers don't really realize that they fanservice for men all the time by offering gratuitous nudity and sex while most of the female fans want fanservice not from naked male actors (although I'm awful because I wouldn't complain about it) but we want to see an actual CONNECTION between the characters. Like a hug, like you suggested, or some sort of caress or comfort. That's the kind of fanservice I desire.
I tried to screencap the council of war scene a little, but I can't make gifs. Here (http://zephfair.tumblr.com/post/138265144045/council-of-war-with-the-leaders-of-republics-and) is two of the shots where Riario keeps focusing on Leo and vice versa. They were styled so beautifully in this scene, I want to cry from the pretty. From the shallowest view, they would make such a GORGEOUS couple!
I swear I get myself tied in knots writing fic and original works to not make errors like these
That's because you care and it and the characters matter to us. It's not just a job or a paycheck, I guess. :/
I promise to be here to hold you through the last three eps. I had to take a break from watching after ep 8. It was an intense day of life and binge-watching lol and I was getting really worked up and had to take a step back and remember these are fictional characters. It's okay. I got some dinner, watched some football, saw my team win, then went back and watched eps 9 and 10. And screamed "AW HELL NO" at least once at the beginning of ep 9. I have a feeling you might too, at the same place. I also rolled my eyes hard enough to hurt, but I honestly did cry through the end of 10. I don't know how much of it was just a release of tension and how much was actual sorrow and grief, I'm weird like that. No matter what, you can yell and complain to me because I feel your pain! :D
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Date: 2016-01-29 09:20 pm (UTC)They are so very pretty, but of course it also goes beyond that :)
Now I'm worried. Story time.
Having seen the spoilers, I didn't watch the Merlin finale for six months. And then I did. And I'm still pissed off about it even now. In my head canon Gwaine is still alive because there was no reason to kill him and we never really saw a body/have confirmation. And what kind of Morgana erasing bs was that? What kind of downbeat miserable ending was that?
(I can rant for hours about sexism in Arthurian Legend and how BBC's Merlin could have done a better job of acknowledging the divine feminine or at not treated Morgana like shit)
It ruined my fic writing, even though I had a whole "Gawain and Green Knight" retelling, Merlin style, planned.
I really don't want a repeat of that :/
So I'm seriously concerned about bad things are going to get. Past experience does not bode well, though I'm more deeply invested in DvD than in Merlin!
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Date: 2016-01-29 09:33 pm (UTC)I don't know if the DVD finale is thatbad. I want to be very careful not to spoil you. Let's just say that I correctly predicted one ending, was shocked but not saddened by another, and the rest was just a mix of WTF-ness and This Is The End I'll Miss These Guys so Much. I was majorly wrong about one thing I'd expected. It's just a mixed bag of all the emotions.
I don't know if I'd say that things necessarily get bad as far as deaths, there are just some important characterizations that made me cringe?
I'm zipping my lips now! lol
question - choices made?
Date: 2016-01-29 12:21 pm (UTC)My choice in canon so far would be have her poison Lorenzo next episode and scapegoat random Turk body the way they found the Monster of Italy, but if I were writing this I wouldn't have let her be put in this situation in the first place.
I know the show writers want me to believe the Crusade is the One True Way, but they also think Leo/Lucrezia is the One True Ship, so I don't have a lot of respect for their opinions. If you can keep out of a war and it never reaches you, you're in a stronger position than the survivors, having not suffered losses. Given how Rome has treated Florence in the past, I really can't blame anyone for not wanting to side with their mortal enemy just because Leo says so and Laura brought her creepy skeletons along. Even if if they're wrong to keep Florence out of the Crusade, I think there needed to be more evidence.
Re: question - choices made?
Date: 2016-01-29 11:13 pm (UTC)I have actually been thinking about this a lot since you posted your review for ep 6 and I've been confronting my feelings about Lorenzo and the way certain things were handled in S3. It also speaks to the depth of my insomnia recently that I have so many hours to consider these weighty issues lol. I'm sorry about spamming you with comments last night!
I've decided that a lot of my rising frustration with Vanessa here comes from the political situation. There are other considerations which will arise in upcoming eps and I won't spoil that here. So I'm treading carefully. xD
I have a hard time accepting Florence's decision to not join and then pull out of the war effort against the Turks, and I think it's extremely foolish and short-sighted of them. Before Leo ever said the line "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" that's exactly what my philosophy was toward this. Or another old saying: better the evil you know, which in this case is Rome. They're calling it a Crusade but I don't consider it as religiously motivated as the early Crusades that marched to the Holy Land for no other reason than to murder and try to take over Jerusalem. This is a fight against invaders to keep their families and country safe.
I think Lorenzo is an idiot to stick his head in the sand and turn down any kind of assistance against the Turks, especially because he saw the cruelty, fought against them and was enslaved. We're told repeatedly in S2 that Naples had the biggest and best army in Italy, and the Turks ripped through them like paper. And all those innocents were beheaded. I can see why Laura chose her mobile Crusade caravan--in a world with no news sources or photographs, how else could you convince people of the horrors that await them? The news may have traveled word of mouth, but the typical person miles away from Otranto is going to shrug and either not believe thousands were killed or not care because it's not personal. I think she was shrewd at marketing to use such attention-grabbing tactics (not something I would want to see myself because it seems highly disrespectful) but as a way to make people look and understand that this is what will happen if the Turks invade. And they are coming because Italy is not united and no one stands in their way.
Meanwhile, Vanessa, Lorenzo and Florence don't think it will happen to them? Aren't as worried as they can be? Seem to think it's all a big power play from Rome? I wouldn't put it past Sixtus to be thinking down the road, but at the moment, there is a much bigger threat and Lorenzo just seems to not care and strike out like a child not getting his own way. Again, my dislike for him is showing! lol
We already know Florence doesn't have a standing army; they're depending on mercenaries. And they're depending on Leo to a point to miraculously save them, but then Lorenzo wants him out too? I know that Lorenzo is hurting, but what if Leo started showing him every single scar and listing every person he has lost too. Every character is broken and scarred, Vanessa too has been through hell and fear even in a palace, but Lorenzo wants to make it all about him.
If I were part of a strategy team, I would want to form an alliance to make a strong military presence to fight the Turks and keep them from invading further. I guess Florence fears that an Italian army will quickly defeat the Turks then turn on them under Sixtus, but I think they should be more worried about the wolf at their door than some attack that may or may not ever happen.
That's a really long ramble to explain that I disagree with Vanessa's politics, but up to this point, I believe she's absolutely doing her best to keep her child and herself safe. Like you said, she doesn't have much choice other than siding with Lorenzo. At this point, I understand it although I feel terrible for her and wish she had other options that would help her and the baby. It's later when things feel more exploitative that I question WTF the writers were thinking. :/
Re: question - choices made?
Date: 2016-01-29 11:48 pm (UTC)Re: question - choices made?
Date: 2016-01-30 09:55 am (UTC)Of course Rome thinks they're right, they always do, but Rome is going to bear the brunt, thin out the invader numbers if nothing else. Rome has a vested interest in making everyone come and protect them, and I think that needed to be acknowledged, and some sort of pact drawn up promising that Rome would withdraw from Florence after the war. You know, diplomacy :D
LOL, we need to stop applying logic to this show. I'll just read and write fic instead, it makes more sense.
Thing is, it doesn't take much for fans to be happy. I remember that Teen Wolf line before I lost track of it after 2 seasons (channel it aired on in the pulled it) and it was acceptable.
I've begged for similar lines when a character goes missing during a new season reboot; "He's lecturing at Cambridge for a year and loving every minute" is all I needed in one case to explain professor/mentor/father figure's absence.
Creators shouldn't treat us like we're stupid. We pay attention to the things that interest us, and sometimes to those that don't, characters and plotlines alike. We'll accept things, so long as they make sense within the world that has been presented to us. But we'll damn well point out the plotholes!
Re: question - choices made?
Date: 2016-01-30 10:51 pm (UTC)Thanks for being brave and diplomatic! That's the perfect idea, and I completely agree with you that everyone involved should have tried A LOT more diplomacy rather than threats and violence. There were just too many loose ends in the show this season, and I guess I keep picking at them. All I can say is: thank heavens for Leo. ;D
LOL, we need to stop applying logic to this show. I'll just read and write fic instead, it makes more sense.
This is my new official philosophy! I agree with you 100 percent! But like you said before about fic writers researching and trying to make things right, if we tried half the stuff in fic they get away with in canon, we would be laughed at! xD
And YES you're right that it doesn't take much for the fans to be happy, if the writers handle it correctly. Teen Wolf is a black stain in my life, and I don't talk about that time much even though I still DVR it (it's in S5B now *eye roll*). I never really understood when people called a TV show "problematic" until I got mired in that show and fandom lol.
Creators shouldn't treat us like we're stupid.
THIS, exactly this! I guess it can only make us appreciate those few writers and creators who do do things right!
Re: question - choices made?
Date: 2016-01-31 10:18 am (UTC)If you only knew how the face I make when you shower me with compliments for being organised and multi-fannish. Like, this is my thing, I don't think it's difficult, so thank you, but I'm not sure I deserve such praise :) So we both need to learn take the compliments!
If you think it would help, I would totally write you a reference, from my er, exalted position as freelance writer and clerk, lauding your proofreading skills, creative approach, attention to detail, and encouraging nature. Only I'd word it better :P Also I'll read any job application letters/personal skills sections if you'd like me to beta and concrit. I've done that for my family before and helped a couple of them get jobs ;)